On today's show, we have my friend, Judith Avers. Judith is one of my favorite people and has really helped me out over the years. Not only in songwriting, but in how to navigate the music business. She's played music all over the place and has even opened up for another one of my favorite songwriters, Josh Ritter. Today we zone in on her songwriting and how her songs have evolved over the last few years. Judith is just as honest in real life as she is in her music. I hope you enjoy the interview.